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#3816 - 05/13/04 04:38 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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And brace yourself, oh Nick-the-wisest, but I had a couple of folks tell me - off the thread - that they thought I was the ONLY one tracking a consistent argument and outing some *cough* other people *cough* for the hypocrites that they seemed to be.
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Brace THIS!

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#3817 - 05/13/04 04:42 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Look up the word "hypocrite", Nick.
I have a better idea: you look up where the comma goes.

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#3818 - 05/13/04 04:44 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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I'm just curious, John, but what do you think did hit the Pentagon? It obviously knocked the wall in from the outside, and it looks like it wasn't a truck or something on the ground, because the top of the wall's caved in.

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#3819 - 05/13/04 04:52 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
chrisg Offline
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GEE John!

Do you think a plane (full of jet fuel and traveling at over 600 mph) that crashed into a concrete building will leave a lot of evidence?

Did you expect to see some tires lying around?

I hope you're pulling our leg.

Was the whole WTC a conspiracy too? If not, how were "they" able to pull off the pentagon "scam" within an hour?

I think you're a troll.
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#3820 - 05/13/04 05:22 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
ynghermes Offline
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Knife,

NICE TRY!

What does 'require' mean? I don't have my Blacks legal dictionary in front of me, but I believe it means MUST, just as 'may' does. Those are the 35th & 36th words in your quote - out of my personal copy of all the original documents. That says to me that 'he has to have permission'.

I do admire you looking it up though...

When the carpet baggers were put into the house and congress they replaced any who did not comply with the party line - for the most part, they were army personal. and at that time the federal flag was replaced by the military flag. And at that time, the army and navy was given totally over to the president. Common law stareted to be replaced by lyres/lawyers and the illeagle law system we now have.

Now prove me wrong....

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#3821 - 05/13/04 06:03 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
ManFriday Offline
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I think we should take up a collection and buy John Gee a tinfoil hat so that John AShcroft cant read his mind...
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#3822 - 05/13/04 06:10 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
Knife Offline
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Originally posted by Nick Batzdorf:
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Look up the word "hypocrite", Nick.
I have a better idea: you look up where the comma goes.
Incredibly insightful response there, Nick.

Great to see you are staying on point and still still relying on thoughtful, fact-based arguments to support your positions, as stated.

Here's another suggestion: think about what tactics folks often use when they've run out of real, intelligent ideas to actually say...


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Originally posted by ynghermes:
Knife,

NICE TRY!

What does 'require' mean? I don't have my Blacks legal dictionary in front of me, but I believe it means MUST, just as 'may' does.
Does your Black's Law Dictionary REALLY say that the use of the word "may" - as in, "may require" - means "must?"

Please send me the link or post an image of the page where it says that.

The word "may" means exactly what it says. May. As in "possibly."

"I may go the ball game, tonight. I'm not sure."

"I may require you to write an opinion for me."

-vs.-

I shall go to the ball game tonight. I have no choice."

"I shall require you to write an opinion for me."

?????

You don't think there's a difference???

The founding fathers had BOTH the words "may" and "shall" at their disposal. The word "shall" appears often in the Constitution - ALWAYS indicating a course of action that MUST be taken, with no exceptions. The word "may" appears ONLY when an action is elective or not entirely necessary to a process.

Have you ever ACTUALLY read or thought about the U.S. Constitution? Ever studied Constitutional history?

Frankly, it doesn't seem so.

You really should read it, and REALLY think about it - if not study it - before you go on to post these ill-advised rants about things that just aren't so.

Much more to the point, in any event:

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Originally posted by ynghermes:
Prove me wrong, show me where the prez was comander AND chief before Lincon was shot.
Followed by:

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U.S. Constitution
U.S. Constitution: Article II

Section 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;...
DOH!!!!

Squirm all you want around tortured attempts to redefine the word "may." The fact remains, you made a simple, direct challenge - and you were directly and simply proven wrong.

Bitter pill, I know, but don't go all Batzdorf on us about it.

Just admit you've been proven wrong and let's move on.


And FWIW, if you are inclined to keep challenging me on this stuff, I don't "look it up." I know it.

Trust me on this.
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#3823 - 05/13/04 09:02 PM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 12161
Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Knife, please put your small penis away and go home. All you're doing is ruining this board with your obnoxious behavior.

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#3824 - 05/14/04 01:35 AM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
Tim Offline
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Posts: 2248
Loc: Woodland Hills Ca. :eek:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Knife:

U.S. Constitution: Article II

Section 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.


And FWIW, if you are inclined to keep challenging me on this stuff, I don't "look it up." I know it.

Trust me on this.


Really? Impressive!

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#3825 - 05/14/04 02:36 AM Re: I don't mean to get political but...
GlennR01 Offline
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Registered: 08/21/02
Posts: 5136
Hmmmm... if the true measure of correctness in any debate is the size of one's penis, then I guess I win ;\)

Thanks for a great debate guys!

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