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#136218 - 01/22/10 05:02 AM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! ***** [Re: Kecinzer]
ExcelAV Offline
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Registered: 07/18/06
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The Supreme court ruling is very damaging to a democracy that is suppose to be for we the people. Ross Perot wanted to get rid of the corporate and foreign lobbyists, people dismissed him and wrote him off as a kook. That's a guy that could have gotten the country moving back in the right direction. So I ask you, how many Democrats and Republicans stood up today and publicly denounced the ruling? I didn't check, but I would bet that Ron Paul is not happy about it, and everybody thinks he is a kook too. Maybe we should all contact our representatives about speaking up about this. If the whole country was screaming about this, something would eventually get done, even if it were only bigger limits, it would help. Our voices need to be heard on these kinds of issues.

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#136223 - 01/22/10 08:19 AM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: ExcelAV]
Jeff E Offline
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Registered: 03/01/00
Posts: 2211
Loc: Aptos, CA, USA
Originally Posted By: ExcelAV
The Supreme court ruling is very damaging to a democracy that is suppose to be for we the people.


One of the issues is understanding that the United States of America is not a democracy. We are a republic. There is a big difference and a reason we have both Senators and Representatives.

The supreme court ruling is very strange.

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#136224 - 01/22/10 08:35 AM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: Jeff E]
TheHopiWay Offline
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Registered: 08/25/02
Posts: 1403
Loc: Washington State
As game changing as this ruling is it's surprising it's barely getting coverage.
Or maybe not given our media is controlled by advertising dollars.

It is perhaps hopeful that at least a few republicans are openly opposed to the decision. Maybe will finally see a true bi-partisan reaction.

The whole concept that corporations should have any rights or involvement with government (outside of regulation)in any way is not in a citizen's best interest.
Perhaps it's good for stockholders, but not the general populace.

What's truly bizarre is that the case the court was ruling on originally had nothing to do with campaign financing. That was brought into the case by members of the court. Political activism at the highest level.
While working on another case they called the litigants back into court and asked them questions about corporate financing thus making it part of the case.

Two days ago I thought I couldn't be any more disappointed in the U.S.
Boy, was I wrong.

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#136225 - 01/22/10 10:48 AM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: TheHopiWay]
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 12161
Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
It's on the front page of the LA Times, Hopi.

Quote:
Today was a sad day for "democracy" in this country.

.. do you really think 50 different health care bills is the solution?! Seriously!


Exactly.

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#136226 - 01/22/10 10:59 AM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: Nick Batzdorf]
jeremy hesford Offline
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Registered: 05/06/99
Posts: 6219
Loc: odenton md.
Hopi, don't know what cable channel you watch but it is all over the news here. Forget it man, this "country" is over.

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#136227 - 01/22/10 11:11 AM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: jeremy hesford]
TheHopiWay Offline
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Registered: 08/25/02
Posts: 1403
Loc: Washington State
Jeremy, I don't watch TV much at all.

Nick,
Glad to hear someones covering it.
The "conservative"Seattle Times does have it in small print below such important lead stories as:

"Clinton Internet speech harms ties with US"

and

"Obama's pushback on banks send stocks lower again"


The large banner headline on the "liberal" Seattle P.I. is:

"Amanda Knox prosecutor convicted of abuse of office"

and here's the 4 lead articles in the national section as listed:


· Police say Georgia mom forced son to kill hamster

· Hiring Mr. Right: Country's first legal gigolo starts work in Nevada

· Did black magic decide Romanian election?

· Supreme Court rolls back campaign spending limits

Well f#%k me, it is getting press.

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#136228 - 01/22/10 11:20 AM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: TheHopiWay]
TheHopiWay Offline
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Registered: 08/25/02
Posts: 1403
Loc: Washington State
Actually the hamster article was entertaining in a sick disturbing way.

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#136230 - 01/22/10 12:42 PM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: TheHopiWay]
Kecinzer Offline
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Registered: 11/08/01
Posts: 3464
Loc: MA, USA
I want to read their opinions, but can't get the Supreme Court link to work... all I get is a blank PDF page. WTF?
HERE
_________________________
See?

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#136231 - 01/22/10 01:53 PM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: Kecinzer]
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 12161
Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
LA Times headline:

Supreme Court OKs unlimited corporate spending on elections
The justices overturn a century of U.S. electoral law by a 5-4 vote. Millions of extra dollars are expected to start flowing from big business to this fall's races, much of it benefiting Republican candidates.


F-ing assholes.

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#136232 - 01/22/10 01:56 PM Re: OT: Oh yes, we can! [Re: Kecinzer]
TheHopiWay Offline
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Registered: 08/25/02
Posts: 1403
Loc: Washington State
Originally Posted By: Kecinzer
I want to read their opinions, but can't get the Supreme Court link to work... all I get is a blank PDF page. WTF?
HERE


Hundreds of thousands of requests have probably brought the server to it's knees.
I can't believe some people are hailing this as a victory for free speech. This is out of control.

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