StudioMusic.. you're only contributing to your status of a troll when exhibiting comrades with the Zum.

"and don't expect me to respond to it."

I never did. Especially since there is no answer.

You guys are all feely-feely - never any substance, all filler.

You have no concrete evidence that the guy is capable. It's all in your religion of this empty-suit. You are worse than the religious right that you despise. He moved a crowd, is all you have.

Woo-woo!

It is weird indeed, even I do not dislike this Obama-dude. He's very affable. But NOT qualified. Clinton would make a better President.

Well MM, since you can't produce answer, maybe someone else here can (without answering with a question or including some reference to Bush).

Justine? kNick? Anyone???

Well, I voted for Hillary. At the time I thought she had a better command of the issues.

But I'll be happy either way.

"At the time I thought she had a better command of the issues."

And now? Don't tell me you too are an Obama disciple!

This place is really spiraling down the toilet.

just for the record, since you apparently ignore my answers to your question about what he's done, he's run a brilliant campaign to win the democratic nomination for president, and he didn't vote to go to war with Iraq for a couple of examples...

"just for the record, since you apparently ignore my answers to your question about what he's done, he's run a brilliant campaign to win the democratic nomination for president"

Yes indeed he has. And that alone qualifies him for the Prez-gig?

You are really reaching low. C'mon! Just one substantive accomplishment. Talk is cheap. He also has never said HOW any of this chit-chat will actually become reality - other than raisin' taxes (and that's never worked - so much for his economic knowledge).

Here are his 'accomplishements', as stated by you:

1) best hope for people who actually want something better for all of us... -- How do you 'quantify' this?

2) a REAL leader who is willing and ABLE to do the work necessary to restore our country and our legacy as Americans amongst ourselves and around the world... -- How? Where's the 'plan'? Is this that "I have a plan" routine?

3) He inspires people (50-80,000 people in Oregon just days ago!!) to participate in the political process because he has the characteristics of all great leaders: grace, integrity, style, class, intelligence, restraint, compassion, and charisma. -- Madonna's done all that - Rock the Vote! Madonna for Prez!

4) He understands diplomacy, economics, foreign policy and most importantly, right from wrong. -- You may want to revisit these claims. Obama has stepped in more piles in the last several weeks that can completely negate all your claims.

5) and he isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes in when it's not popular in Washington, as his vote against the war clearly indicates. -- Can you explain the Rev. Wright problem?

6) He is: forward looking and thinking, presidential, focused, serious, educated, respectful, caring, energetic, capable, in touch with real people and their problems, and is willing and able to surround himself with top people, listen to their advice and expertise - and then exercise his own good judgement. That's what presidents who aren't wankers do. -- Really? There is little evidence, if any to support this. Supply it if you have it.

7) His campaign effectiveness, efficiency, and fund raising speaks for itself, and it's just getting started! -- Says who?

Obviously, all my opinions, and just couldn't give one reason because there are just too many good ones. -- Yeah ALL opinions and NO facts. Wishful banter.

"and he didn't vote to go to war with Iraq..."

And, neither did I. In fact, both of us were NOT in the U.S. Senate when the vote came up.

Unfortunately its crap shoot for those voting on the Dem ticket.

I always view the presidents position to establish a foreign policy and congress for domestic policy.

- Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.

- After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

- His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.

- Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.

- Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.

- As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.

- He traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.

- Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.

- In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

- Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

- Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

- Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.

- Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

- Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law.

"just for the record, since you apparently ignore my answers to your question about what he's done, he's run a brilliant campaign to win the democratic nomination for president, and he didn't vote to go to war with Iraq for a couple of examples..."


And his positions in general are right on. But his ability to lead is why I think he'll make a great President. He has all the right qualities; who cares whether he's only been in the Senate one term.

I'm not a disciple, by the way. The Democrats had two great candidates this time.

Sounds like an agent that doesn't need to be on his detail anymore. All of the agents I've spoken with that travel with him have nothing but good things to say about him. Some of the locals has sticks up their ass, but I attribute that to them being local assholes.