#126440 - 08/16/08 10:47 PM
Painful vocals-any comp. sounds like a phase shifter
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Stevehwan
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I know this is a age old subject but I just gotta vent. I am trying to mixdown a project that all of you I am sure have never experienced.....A singer whose wav is all over the map. The only way I have ever been able to control a vocal track like this one is to snip left and right of all the low spots and raise them however many db it looks like it needs to even out and look like the higher spots. Sort of a pains taking, very manual way to emulate a good compressed/limited wav file.
When I try to compress, any incriment appears to make it sound nasely or phase shifty.
Guys-I am definatly open. 
Steve
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#126441 - 08/16/08 11:24 PM
Re: Painful vocals-any comp. sounds like a phase shifter
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Audio Guy
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Defiantly experienced that, many times. There are some singers who are extremely dynamic, from a whisper to loud as hell in a split second. Only one thing to do, some compression on the way in, compression mixing and volume automation. Of course you have to use the right compression plug-in for the vocal depending on what you have.
It also has to do with having been working with this singer in the past, knowing how they are, what works on them. One problem is, if they sound harsh, what comes out of their mouth, there is not much you can do about that. If the sound source is BAD, from the get go, then that just makes your job that much harder. Good luck with that.
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#126443 - 08/17/08 12:17 AM
Re: Painful vocals-any comp. sounds like a phase shifter
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Stevehwan
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Defiantly experienced that, many times. There are some singers who are extremely dynamic, from a whisper to loud as hell in a split second. Only one thing to do, some compression on the way in, compression mixing and volume automation. Of course you have to use the right compression plug-in for the vocal depending on what you have.
It also has to do with having been working with this singer in the past, knowing how they are, what works on them. One problem is, if they sound harsh, what comes out of their mouth, there is not much you can do about that. If the sound source is BAD, from the get go, then that just makes your job that much harder. Good luck with that.
No time to spend with them setting up compression on the way in sooo... that's out of the question not to mention I don't have a rack unit compressor to insert in the DA7s vocal channel.
I never worked with this band b4 so there obviously is nothing workable there.
I do use volume automation and intend to for this project. Still not the answer for several drastic volume changes within a single word,...compression is.
And yes,,,"the sound source was bad" the reason for my post.
Guess I am still looking for answers to compression... 
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#126451 - 08/17/08 03:45 PM
Re: Painful vocals-any comp. sounds like a phase shifter
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Stevehwan
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The original clip (S1 Josh) was the whole vocal track and of course the actual vocal didn't start until 40 seconds of instrumental intro. Here's a shorter clip that has no gap before you actually here him start. But it's mor important that you can see the wav file and not just here it. so unless you can bring it up on your screen with audio software and see it, there isn't much we can talk about.
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S1 - Josh.mp3 (24 downloads)
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Short vocal clip.mp3 (15 downloads)
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Edited by Stevehwan (08/18/08 11:11 AM)
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#126454 - 08/18/08 01:18 AM
Re: Painful vocals-any comp. sounds like a phase shifter
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Jeff E
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Nada
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This problem has no musical aspects to it at all!! Ha ha ha.
