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#40111 - 06/01/04 09:21 AM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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A bigger reason a lot of MIX users keep their systems is that the upgrade costs over $5k for the hardware exchange. And MIX hardware won't work on G5s.

But the kickass sampler is as simple as buying Kontakt.

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#40112 - 06/01/04 09:23 AM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
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Fiery, you do know about ESB, right? It's eight outputs for the entire native Logic engine directly into the TDM mixer. You don't have to give up the native plug-ins, EXS, or anything else.

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#40113 - 06/01/04 09:32 AM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
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Nick,

I didn't know about the ESB....thanks for cluing me in. What would be an appropriate piece of hardware on the Digi side to enable this (to get my feet wet w/mixing in PT, etc).

Thanks

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#40114 - 06/01/04 10:46 AM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
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Unfortunately, ESB is only for TDM. So there's no "feet wet" system. Pro Tools is like that: $500, $1000, $2000, and then $10,000 for TDM.

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#40115 - 06/01/04 12:34 PM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
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Another example of what I'm talking about: ESB. That was an addition to Logic that occurred "no thanks to Digidesign". From what I understand, that was NOT a developmental partner arrangement; it was, instead, an Emagic hack of the Digi protocol. Correct me if you know I'm wrong, that's just what I heard from "reliable sources".
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#40116 - 06/01/04 01:06 PM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Who knows. Apple and Digidesign went on a promotional tour together recently, so things may have changed if that was the case.

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#40117 - 06/01/04 02:48 PM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
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Justin please pull your head out of your arse and take a deep breath for a minute. "Nubus is the dark ages". Maybe in the computer world. But believe me there are a ton of people who still feel the sting and are paying for thier "antique" nubus blow tools set ups. Again no upgrade path or option, Just eat it., suckers. "What would have been nice was if owners of recent copies, got free or cheap upgrades, instead, these companies have made it expensive". Bonehead, I wonder where they learned how to turn a buck screwing people in this manner. Your sounding like a bigger hypocrite with each post Justin. Take your own advice and stop now.
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#40118 - 06/01/04 03:07 PM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Vinco, I don't agree with everything Justin says either, yet it's not getting me worked up. Why are you taking it so personally? It's not like we're debating politics...

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#40119 - 06/01/04 09:50 PM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
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Nick. He is wrong. Plain and simple. He keeps digging the hole deeper and I will continue to shovel dirt on him. Hopefully the tomb will be sealed soon.
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#40120 - 06/02/04 04:48 AM Re: Do I really need Pro Tools???
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Vinco -

From a Living Colour song:

"You're like a dull knife, you just ain't cuttin', you're just talkin' loud, you ain't sayin' nothin'."

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