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#3167 - 05/26/03 12:25 PM Where are we at with average level standards?
halljams Offline
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(I posted this on GM's forum also but thought this would be a great place to get some replies as well.)
I am aware of Bob Katz's K-system.
But i see very little about it on the net.

Has it taken on any level?

Is there somewhere i can go online to read more about standarized level practices and how and if they are being developed?

Thanks

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#3168 - 05/26/03 01:23 PM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
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#3169 - 05/26/03 04:49 PM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
halljams Offline
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Originally posted by maric:
http://www.dorrough.com/dorrough/
Thanks Maric. Nice meter.

I'm actually refering to any sort of movement amongst the mix/mastering community to get the level of final mixes on CD's DOWN and balance the dynamic range to that of DVD's.
That sort of thing. You know.. "stop the maddness".

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#3170 - 05/26/03 04:55 PM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
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It's unlikely as long as people want their music to play loud on the radio. A louder record is more easily heard when it's in rotation with a dozen other similar tunes.

I agree it's a good idea to stop the madness, but there are too many bands that play loud and want their record to be the loudest out there.

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#3171 - 05/26/03 05:54 PM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
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Originally posted by rick:

I agree it's a good idea to stop the madness, but there are too many bands that play loud and want their record to be the loudest out there.
Maby there are too many, but there aren't so many that i can't ignore them and go on with what i like.

There are people trying to set a standard.
I would like to find these people.
More and more i am realizing that i much prefer "quieter".

What the pimpley faced skaters do is up to them. \:\)

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#3172 - 05/26/03 07:54 PM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
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Unfortunately or fortunately, it's those pimply faced skaters that are buying a whole lot of the pop records being made today. that fact is a big deal if you want to compete in that arena.

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#3173 - 05/26/03 08:13 PM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
halljams Offline
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Originally posted by BrianK:
Unfortunately or fortunately, it's those pimply faced skaters that are buying a whole lot of the pop records being made today. that fact is a big deal if you want to compete in that arena.
It doesn't mean that there isn't a solution though.

I'm not on a mission or anything here.
i just want to know what is being done about it around the world. I figure there must be some organization or something going somewhere that is focused on solving this problem.
Or... maby not.

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#3174 - 05/27/03 08:31 AM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
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Originally posted by rick:
It's unlikely as long as people want their music to play loud on the radio. A louder record is more easily heard when it's in rotation with a dozen other similar tunes.

Not so. The AGCs in most of the broadcast chains make up for variences in volume. The lack of dynamic range hurts the sound of a song on the radio as well. A high gain CD hits the broadcast limiters harder, thus compressing an already over compressed song even more.

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#3175 - 05/27/03 09:52 AM Re: Where are we at with average level standards?
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If you've hypercompressed it before releasing it, then the station's compressors won't damage the resulting mix nearly as much. This isn't an excuse, but it may be one factor.

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