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#136988 - 02/27/10 04:33 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: jeremy hesford]
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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No, Jeff, it sucks that we have the political climate Paul Krugman described so well in his blog today:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/youre-so-vain/

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It goes like this: Person A says “Black is white” — perhaps out of ignorance, although more often out of a deliberate effort to obfuscate. Person B says, “No, black isn’t white — here are the facts.”

And Person B is considered to have lost the exchange — you see, he came across as arrogant and condescending.

Here’s how I see it: in our current political culture, the background noise is overwhelmingly one of conservative platitudes. People who have strong feelings about politics but are intellectually incurious tend to pick up those platitudes, and repeat them in the belief that this makes them sound smart. (Ezra Klein once described Dick Armey thus: “He’s like a stupid person’s idea of what a thoughtful person sounds like.”)

Inevitably, then, such people react with rage when they’re shown up on their facts or basic logic — it’s an attack on their sense of self-worth.

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#136989 - 02/27/10 04:35 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: Nick Batzdorf]
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And Jeremy, my previous post describes the obstacles Obama is facing. Being right is shouted down as wrong in every case.

However [coming back to edit this] the reason to be optimistic is that he really does understand the long-term issues facing this country. He knows that we need to produce more graduates with scientific backgrounds to compete with the likes of India and China, that we need to invest in renewable energy because that's the most likely place all the jobs we need are going to be, and of course that we need to deal with the soaring costs of healthcare because they're not sustainable.

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#136991 - 02/27/10 05:18 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: Nick Batzdorf]
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Love the irony of reading this as Justin runs a Newsmax.com banner ad above that reads: "Obama care...Stop Him! Vote here now"

As Nick said, more background noise, devoid of facts and meant to only distract.
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#136993 - 02/27/10 11:54 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: BIGRIVERMUSIC]
jeremy hesford Offline
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Justin, what's up with the "Obama Care" add dude??? Are you trying to be some kind of asshole Idiot?

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#136994 - 02/28/10 12:53 AM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: jeremy hesford]
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To be clear, I use Google Adsense which automatically places paid ad based on it's algorithm that scans the content of the page. Google Adsense generates a small amount of revenue, just enough to pay for the forum's hosting costs.

Ok guys this topic is beaten to death. I won't lock it but let's move on. I don't object to the opinions stated here but the bad language and endless ranting isn't appropriate for this forum. In other words, please guys, play nice. Make a point and move on.
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#136997 - 02/28/10 12:03 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: Justin]
jeremy hesford Offline
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Move on? What does that mean? You have a ton of adds here, I find the anti Obama adds very offensive, and on top of that you tell us to stop talking about something very important or you well shut down the thread. Come on Justin, are you trying to be big brother?

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#136998 - 02/28/10 02:36 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: jeremy hesford]
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Jeremy, and I say this with respect, you need to grow up. Nobody is here, including me, is out to be your big brother, censor you or control your mind. As I have for years now, I'm just trying to maintain a shred of decorum. So please, act like an adult and treat others as you would like to be treated - with respect. If you'd taken the time to read and understand my previous post, I don't control the ads, they are automatically placed by Google Adsense based on it's algorithm. In other words, Google scans the content of the page and matches it to it's database of paid ads.

And by the way, this is primarily an audio forum - not a place for you to run for Congress.
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#136999 - 02/28/10 03:35 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: Justin]
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I love it!! Google bases it's ads on the content of the site, and they are political ads!! OK, back to audio....
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#137000 - 02/28/10 09:40 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: TheHopiWay]
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I just have to point out that this is twice now that Hopi has said this:

Originally Posted By: TheHopiWay
Originally Posted By: Kecinzer
Originally Posted By: TheHopiWay
Polls can be very misleading.

Especially when you disagree with them.


My point is that many poll questions are slanted and/or incomplete and simplified to such a degree as to make a yes or no vote irrelevant.

Joseph, Do you approve or disapprove of the way political candidates eat small children?
No comments now, just check one.

I approve.

I disapprove.

Results of this poll show that most Americans support my belief that politician's table manners are atrocious.

Do you
A- think Zumbido should run for president as a republican in 2012
or
B- think Zumbido should run for president as an independent in 2012?

Wow, it seems like an overwhelming percentage of Americans polled believe Zumbido should run for president in 2012!


...about this particular poll and it's simply not true.

This poll was a simple "apply a grade" poll. There are no questions or double meaning that can be implied.

The questions are direct, single-response questions and the answers to the questions are unmistakable responses: Included with the question itself and it is reflected as such.

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#137003 - 02/28/10 11:45 PM Re: OT - CBS Poll results [Re: Knife]
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Yes, if you want a long running thread, we only need to talk about how good Bush was for the country. See how much better off we are 8 years after he started? No more pesky other countries trying to be our friends - it's much easier to calculate stock values without using up so many digits.
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