Yeah thats it.. Its all One parties fault.. typical

Acorn?!

That's all you can come up with?

And Kecinzer, that is the most ridiculous hype. Nobody read the bill. Come on. There's no way you can spend $800 billion in a hurry to get the money into the economy without there being waste, but I don't agree with you that our government is totally useless and everything they do is crap. We've had far more great legislation over the years than bad legislation.

I believe we need to do more than fix Medicare, we need to expand it and over time get rid of the private insurance companies. These assholes who are trying to stop healthcare reform totally are the ones who are insulting your intelligence.

Finally, Kecinzer has had experience in a Communist country. The people who ran it are from the same species and have the same weaknesses; people are the same everywhere. But the circumstances were totally different, and saying that our government is the same - especially now that we've got rid of the worst administration in our entire history - is simply not reality.

Doggn' is absolutely right, in fact I'd go farther and say that we're trying to recover from a whole generation of Republican failure. It's not all their fault, but our current problems started with Reagan but got exponentially worse during Bush 2.

Good question. How long do you think Palin will keep up her "death squad" bullshit? The latest ticker on CNN said she expects Obama to use his "death squad" to determine Trig's health care.

There is a REASON the insurance industries are pushing so hard to fight this - their days of big money are about over. If they can't compete with the efficiency of a government run plan, they deserve to be out of business. Anyone is certainly free to keep using them. There is NOTHING that ends private health care - only offers alternatives to people that don't want to pay their prices, or who the insurance industry refuses to cover.

And planting fake disenters in a town hall is nothing new ... think Joe the Plumber/Newscaster/waste of life/etc. The fact that the questions aren't prescreened and planted like in the Bush days should be more telling.

guess what dog, it iz. u can breathe the hype all u like, but ur boize f*kked up bad and now u want pretend like itz everybodyz fault. nope, cant hav it both ways. u wanted no govt in biz and biz screwed u big tyme. u want no govt in health care but u gladly let insrnce co's f*ck ur ass daily. conservs r the biggest hores in town - theyr asses r open & waitin'

and they have handels like sugrnutz

Well, have it your way... enjoy the red tape and bureaucracy - You deserve it! Nice to see you actually read the post..

"and now he saved us from a depression by ramming a $800 billion pork bill"

Uh, I believe the "bailout" was done in the waning days of the highly successful Bush administration...(prior to Obama becoming President...)

What will it take to let go of our divisive herd mentality? Maybe an asteroid would do. God help us all...

DP, we can throw the blame around 'till Kingdom Come... Reps screwed with Iraq, Dems gave us Fannie and Freddie fiasco... We got a lot of fixing to do. Perhaps just one four-year term limit for all politician would be a good start.

Nick, it has been well-documented... too many to list.

Listen carefully: HERE

Does he knows his own Health Care bill? Admitedly not.


And of course the Stimulus Bill: HERE

The health care bill isn't even a bill yet. He clearly understands the issue inside out, though.

And yes, there's plenty of blame to give both parties.

But the real damage to this country started with Ronald "Iran Contra" Reagan, the God of the Republican Party - the one that being a member of is a social disorder, as Naomi Wolfe put it. Apart from being a criminal and one of our worst presidents, RICR brought the era of minimal compassion to our government, in which cutting taxes at the top is sold as doing middle class people a favor (and raising them is shouted down as socialism - as if that were intrinsically bad). His jackass "free market" privatization policies led directly to the government of/by/for the lobbyists we have now.

The other side of the coin, which is why Democrats are infinitely better even if they aren't perfect, is that they're hisorically the ones responsible for all the good legislation that impacts our lives today. FDR and the New Deal, LBJ and the Great Society...and there are lesser but important things along the way. Contrast that with Richard Nixon and - I'd have to say worse - Bush II.

There is no "center." Republicans specifically and conservatism in general is a big bowl of suck. The era when their approach was right ended several generations ago.