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#123326 - 05/21/08 03:50 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: Michael M]
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Why do you guys like this empty-man? He's shown no experience in doing anything. His ONLY track record is hanging with 'not-so-nice' people.

This is most elusive thing that baffles me concerning the Obama-ites.

Just because he delivers flowery, yet empty, jargon.

Simple, frighteningly stupid thinking.

Well, you may just get what you want. Although, I don't think that you will.

As I stated earlier, the U.S. can survive Obama. We barely pulled through with Carter. I guess it has to go below the line for a REAL President to emerge.
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#123329 - 05/21/08 03:56 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: zumbido]
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 Originally Posted By: zumbido
Why do you guys like this empty-man? He's shown no experience in doing anything. His ONLY track record is hanging with 'not-so-nice' people.

Just because he delivers flowery, yet empty, jargon.

Simple, frighteningly stupid thinking.


sounds like you're describing your own commentary and "political" persona on this forum to me...
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#123330 - 05/21/08 04:15 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: Michael M]
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"sounds like you're describing your own commentary and "political" persona on this forum to me..."

For the sake of getting an answer, I'll agree with your statement.

Now, since you are a higher form of life... answer the question.
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#123333 - 05/21/08 04:53 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: zumbido]
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ask a real one worthy of an answer.
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#123334 - 05/21/08 05:04 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: Michael M]
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Give me ONE answer as to why YOU believe Obama is capable of being the President of the United States.

Please don't answer in the form of a question that includes 'Bush'. You could give me an example of some 'feat' that Obama has achieved that puts him above the rest of us that has demonstrated an ability to be the leader of the U.S. A REAL solid factual achievement - not a slew of dreamy words. Don't include anyone other than Obama in your answer. I am NOT interested why anyone else is not qualified, only why Obama is qualified.

If he is obviously unique and qualified, a single answer should be quite easy.

Once again, don't answer in the form of a question that includes Bush.

Have at it.
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#123342 - 05/21/08 06:57 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: zumbido]
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MM-baby! You deleted your post! Why you back out? Is Obama already fading?

Good thing I have a copy:

”Obama is the best hope for people who actually want something better for all of us...
He is a REAL leader who is willing and ABLE to do the work necessary to restore our country and our legacy as Americans amongst ourselves and around the world...
He inspires people (50-80,000 people in Oregon just days ago!!) to participate in the political process because he has the characteristics of all great leaders: grace, integrity, style, class, intelligence, restraint, compassion, and charisma. He understands diplomacy, economics, foreign policy and most importantly, right from wrong, and he isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes in when it's not popular in Washington, as his vote against the war clearly indicates.
He is: forward looking and thinking, presidential, focused, serious, educated, respectful, caring, energetic, capable, in touch with real people and their problems, and is willing and able to surround himself with top people, listen to their advice and expertise - and then exercise his own good judgement. That's what presidents who aren't wankers do.
His campaign effectiveness, efficiency, and fund raising speaks for itself, and it's just getting started!
Obviously, all my opinions, and just couldn't give one reason because there are just too many good ones...

and you knew all of this, despite whatever you might write in response... ”


And, best of all, here’s my response:

It all sounds wonderful.

But what has he ACTUALLY done? Accomplished?

I get most of those groovy feelings from a Thai massage. Santa Claus used to make feel all gooey all over when I was 4 years old.

The guy has done NOTHING. Your words are just rhetorical fluff.

Waiting for a solid example of an accomplishment that raises him to the lofty position of the President.

C'mon, ONE example.

I don't think you can.

"... he has the characteristics of all great leaders: grace, integrity, style, class, intelligence, restraint, compassion, and charisma."

Pick one of those wonderful attributes and give me an example.

"He understands diplomacy, economics, foreign policy and most importantly, right from wrong,"

He has demonstrated the opposite of all those.

But, I'm holding out for just one, single example.

Bring it on!
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#123343 - 05/21/08 07:02 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: zumbido]
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I had to log in to respond to that Michael M.
You do not even give one example of how he is fit to run the country.
His 50-80,000 people pep rally was for a free concert, not all about him. http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007700.html
Raising money is easy for any charlatan/cult leader/used car salesman. Tell people what they want, and they'll support you.

How about this:
George W. Bush is a REAL leader who is willing and ABLE to do the work necessary to restore our country and our legacy as Americans amongst ourselves and around the world... He is: forward looking and thinking, presidential, focused, serious, educated, respectful, caring, energetic, capable, in touch with real people and their problems, and is willing and able to surround himself with top people, listen to their advice and expertise - and then exercise his own good judgement. That's what presidents who aren't wankers do.

Does me saying it make it true?

I hate how the only reason people want Obama is because he can talk the talk. Nevermind any REAL experience or ideas.
"We'll make America better!" is not a plan on how to do it.
Tell us how and why, not flowery words that no one can critique.

My brother is Secret Service and has spent personal time with Mr. Obama. He will not vote for him.


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#123346 - 05/21/08 07:10 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: studiomusic]
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studiomusic,

Good points.

However, these lib-loons are first driven by an unfounded hatred for Bush. They don't even know why they hate so much - most of them are old flower-power hippes. So it doesn't square up. I have never seen such a large crowd of angry kool-aide drinkers.

Then this messiah-like blatherer shows up and spews out what they wnat to hear. They actually believe most of what he says. And I have no problem with that. Let 'em believe what they want.

But they have blindly lined up behind someone who has never demonstrated that he can even sort of come close to just a single one of these great and lofty ideas he blows out.

It's just amazing to watch this herd circling around this shallow entity.
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#123347 - 05/21/08 07:23 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: studiomusic]
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 Originally Posted By: studiomusic

How about this:
George W. Bush is a REAL leader


This statement by itself illustrates how clueless you are \:D \:D

People will give any excuse as to why their party can't raise any money. How about the obvious... they don't support their candidate... and the Repugnican party is fading into oblivion... both nationally and internationally.... thanks to Bush.

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#123348 - 05/21/08 07:35 PM Re: Wow! Hillary really does... [Re: zumbido]
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i mistakenly deleted most of my post while editing it - thanks a lot for copying it and thus saving it! although, it seemed a happy accident once i thought about how you would respond, and there you did... whatever, man.

those are MY reasoned OPINIONS why I believe Obama is capable of being a great President of the US, which is what you asked for, requiring no justification to or approval from you or anyone else. if you don't understand them, or agree, that's fine by me - plenty of others do and don't. i don't follow anyone or do anything blindly, by the way - I wanted Obama to run when I first saw him 3 years ago... and am ecstatic with how well he's done and how he's handled himself so far against all odds. As he continues to manage to make his way through the likes of you, the media and the clintons... the Presidency will be a relative walk in the park.

...give me a break with the no reasons to hate shrub comment - he's a liar, and he's incredibly incompetent at pretty much everything except lying and being completely irresponsible.

carry on with your same old crap... just don't expect me to respond to it.

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