It's already started... here's a WSJ article:

Companies Hang Up On Apple's iPhone

And from Crave...

Thirteen reasons to doubt the iPhone hype

Yeah, its hard to imagine the iPhone over taking the Blackberry or possible the Palm treo email thing (I don't use either so my comments might not mean sh*t)

With the iPhone the question for me is "how seamless will the user interface be". Its when you try to make an all in one device the possibility of failure rises.

In all honesty, I have no clue how it will do. It's WAY more than a phone... so... we'll just have to see how this shakes out.

Personally, it's a far too new technology for me to buy into... I would wait for the next generation iPhone to come out before I jumped on board.

My 2 cents,

AK

It's a $500 gadget, no? I just need a reliable phone. It helps if it can back up your numbers to your PC in case you lose it. I suppose an mp3 player would be cool, but my phone already does that, and I rarely use that feature.

One interesting question comes to mind- Why does my phone play mp3s out of the speaker, but a dedicated mp3 player, like the ipod, has no speaker?

Does the iPhone have a speaker? That is an interesting question. I use the speakerphone on my Treo all the time.

I'm not saying this to apologize for the iPhone's compatibility issues with corporate servers, just in general: I couldn't possibly check email on my cell phone. Even if I download the first 5k of every message, I get 200 spams a day. It's just not feasible, even at 3G speeds - which are slow most places anyway, despite the hype.

Apple announced the other day that the battery life is going to be longer than they previously announced.

Are they still engineering this thing? And it goes on sale in a little more than a week? So with manufacturing lead times and distribution, that gives them, what, 10 minutes to shake the thing out? How many bugs is this bomb going to have?

They also announced that the touch screen surface will be glass and not plastic as previously announced. Again, how long have they given themselves to test this thing in real-world situations? It's insane to be making these types of announcements so close to launch.

A buddy of mine knows an Apple researcher who is actually beta-testing the iPhone... and yes.. they are always looking to improve on stuff... even a week before release... and even after it is released. That is why I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation iPhone.

My opinion.

AK

"It's insane to be making these types of announcements so close to launch."

Then offer your services to them as a consultant, since you obviously know so much. Tell them how every product they've ever come out with sucks and the only reason they're making money hand over foot is that people are really stupid.

Hey, looks like you're finally starting to wise up, there, Nicky.

Millions of iPud-wearin' zombies.

And before that there were millions of Walkman-wearin' zombies.

dude whats ur fuckin problem? who gives a shit ? try to do something worthwhile with your time

Maybe if his time were worthwhile.....

My fuckin problem is incoherent fanboy idiots like YOU. If you can't debate me in a proper manner then beat it.

Mac fanboys just can't STAND it when others dare to prove them wrong. That's the kind of dare I love to take on.

I saw the iphone commercial on tv. I wonder why they call it a phone. More like a pda with phone ability. kinda looks cool.

my 2c

fanboys. I remember them from english

F)or
A)nd
N)or
B)ut
Y)et
S)o

ah coordinating conjunctions. what memories

no, you fat asshole, you have a fuckin' bug up ur ass about Apple that no one here really gives a shit about. Who cares about a telephone, you shit eating jerk. So, lose weight, get a fucking life, get over ur issues and use the few remaining morbidly obese years you have left to contribute something positive to this world.

guymandude, you're out of line with the fat comments. Maybe you didn't noice buy Justin is a Chunky Monkey as well.

chunkey monkey with an iphone?

Well, you certainly showed me. I bow to your superior intellect, gaymanboy. How did I ever think I could raise my game to your level? Your reasoning was carefully thought out, your arguments eloquently made.

Name calling? Chunky Monkey? Fanboy? and other profanity. Hmm yeah,I can see the forum is back to normal.

Just tryin', dude. Almost time to go to the beach...

The new Apple iKluth - a piece of shit disguised as something useful.

gaymanboy, you are a disgrace to your avatar. Fripp would not approve.

Anyways, ignoring the 12-post, New Member troll and getting back to topic:

Gartner analyst advises IT executives to avoid Apple's iPhone like the plague

Chunkey Monkey is a term endearment, no?

Why is everyone so pissed? This is a simple discussion forum, no? Fat? WTF? I come here to unwind, laff a little, and have intelligent discussion about topics that are of interest. Don't take it so seriously and personally.

lear hou 2 spille SHAWN!!!

oh, you mean laff? Cool.

so, you are a homophobic piss ant as well, huh? well, you circus freak, clip ur fucking mullet, take ur shween out of your ass long enough to sit down and educate urself about what a gawdawful waste of cytoplasm u really are. get a life, freakboy.

Lov'in it.

Anaconda.... is that you?

AK

anaconda is a fuckin' snake. iKluth is a pig. oink oink.

what's a piss ant?

Dvorak says iPhone keyboard is a disaster

The iPhone’s potential downfall: Lack of mechanical keyboard

Mark, why did you switch from bashing Digidesign to bashing Apple?

You're very weird.

I "bash" whatever I feel needs "bashing" at the moment. When I see people posting "Oh, PT is the only way to go. All the rest is garbage", I let them know in no uncertain terms that they are wrong. There are lots of viable alternatives to PT. Even you know that's true.

So when I see all the fanboys whipping themselves into a fervor over the iPhone, I bring balance to the equation. Besides, with the building momentum over the iPhone, there's no way it could possibly meet everyone's expectations. Kinda like when Star Wars #1 came out. The trailers looked awesome. People had such high expectations of it, when it finally came out, everyone was disappointed.

So in a few weeks, after people actually get their hands on the thing, and they get their first ATT bills including all the net access time they've used watching awesome YouTube nonsense and Cinderella, they'll realize it's not the "magic bullet" they needed/wanted to bring meaning to their lives.

Then they get to pay ATT a $175 cancellation fee and all they'll have is the world's most expensive MP3 player.

I agree with Mark and Dvorak on this one. The iPhone is going to be a disaster for Apple. Too many things about it - the high cost, the service issues spell doom this time. Steve Jobs will be sorry he decided to bite on this one.

Will you buy an iPhone?

CNet asks their users. Vast majority say no.

"There are lots of viable alternatives to PT. Even you know that's true."

Even I? I would never say it isn't true. Justin is the one who says everything else is crap.

Justin, my prediction is that it's going to make money hand over foot. The high cost, service issues, and keyboard are all likely to be valid criticisms, as are several others. It'll still sell.

By the way, unlimited wireless data is in the $40/month range, and the next step down is $25. That's how the cell industry makes most of its money - it's an extortion racket. What they do is intimidate you into buying a more expensive plan than you need by threatening you with an astronomical bill if you go over your allotted minutes or megabytes. And if they didn't give you "free" new phones for signing a 2-year contract, your phone bill would be $300/year lower. On top of that, you're forced to pay sales tax on the list price of the phone! Then if you switch around your phones on your family plan (i.e. assign them different ones of your numbers), they void the warranty.

These people suck, and it's time for the government to pass legislation putting an end to this theft.

I'm doing my best to minimize the use of my cell phone for health and perspective about how to use that tool instead of having it use and abuse me. The LAST thing I want or need is brain tumor or a fancier electronic leash planted firmly in the hands of people I don't REALLY want to hear from...:) For me, the mobile phone is a great convenience to be used sparingly as necessary, not to show you pictures of my dog.
Obviously, consumerism is not my bag, and IMHO, generally disconnects us from who we really are, connecting people with the "need" for the next "magic bullet" as Mark puts it. Pro Fools is another perfect example of that folly... buy something that has the word pro in it to validate yourself and your work - brilliant marketing for the insecure... Most of the country would do much better spending $500 on therapy with a good therapist, treating themselves and their significant others to a fabulous time together, or if lucky, a DA7 with no cards or meter bridge...

You're right, Nick. Sorry for putting words in your mouth.

Yes, everything else is crap when it comes to Pro Tools. That may change but that's the world we live in today. As I've stated before, the biggest reason for this is that Pro Tools is the choice of the vast majority of professionals. You wanna use Logic? Ok, your clients will go elsewhere to a Pro Tools studio. Eat it.

As for the iPhone isn't it just possible that the convergence of a phone, a internet-capable PDA and an MP3 player will actually be a turn off for most consumers? It's all about the user experience - if it sucks, people will run for the hills.

"You wanna use Logic? Ok, your clients will go elsewhere to a Pro Tools studio. Eat it."

I'm not running a commercial studio, and the reason I got cold feet (after giving Digidesign my cc, but they were backordered) and didn't upgrade to HD is precisely that my clients couldn't care less what I use. So I have an MBox (i.e. a dongle) for now. I really wanted to be able to justify the upgrade, because it's a great system, but I just couldn't.

However, even when I had the MIX system, I was using Logic and PT for different things - as I would today even if I had HD hardware.

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Justin, read your second paragraph and substitute Treo for iPhone. Treos have been out a good three years.

Remember the Michael Richardson story? What do you think that episode was recorded on?

What Apple is best at is the "user experience." That's why I say it's going to make them billions of dollars.

But that doesn't mean I'm running out to buy an iPhone, as I've already said.

U r so sad and pathetic. who cares about a phone? who cares about Apple? whats the point? Is ur life so empty, so pointless, so devoid of meaning, of truth, of spirituality, that you have to get all riled up over a fuckin' telephone?

New from iKluth™: the iBash™, it makes you feel like a man, but act like a pussy.

u have got to be kidding. who the fuck are u? what records have u made? u host a website for a console that is not being made, thats it. and u think u know what the vast majority of professionals use? puuuuuleeezzzzze!

BTW, U eat it.

Tell ya what, let's pick a major studio at random and see what they're using... hmm..... how about The Plant in the San Francisco Bay Area...

http://www.plantstudios.com/gear/

Wow, whadda ya know, Pro Tools. What a big surprise. I'm am shocked I don't see Logic, Digital Performer, Cubase, Sonar, Samplitude, Garageband etc. listed in their Gear. Wonder why?

Because people go to studios to record live ensembles, and that's one of the things Pro Tools is really good at.

But that isn't the point, Justin. All it proves is that people want Pro Tools when they hire a studio; it is the most popular DAW in that sphere, no question. But how many songwriters or composers do you know who use Pro Tools for writing? There are some, but most people are using other programs for that. Anyway, I suspect you'd find Logic, DP, and probably Cubase or Nuendo on the Plant's hard drives too.

The fact that you're lumping Samplitude and Garage Band in with the others makes me even more convinced that you have no idea what the others have to offer. You really need to try other sequencers to see why you're the only person on this board who says what you're saying. Logic and DP even work with Pro Tools hardware.

I have them all, Justin - it's not like I'm just quoting hearsay.

"Obviously, consumerism is not my bag, and IMHO, generally disconnects us from who we really are,"

My bag is hedonism, gluttony, shallowness, and excess.

First I think tons of songwriters and composers use Pro Tools for writing - I'm one of them but there are tons - Digidesign started it with the 001 and have grown their base of prosumer users considerably with the mBox and other entry level hardware/software.

Second, I doubt very much the Plant dicks around with Cubase and Nuendo. I'm sure they tell those customers to bring files they can import into Pro Tools.

Sorry Justin. You're absolutely clueless.

Yeah, your mother wears army boots!

Your bald-headed no-panty granny.

Justin,
You have an interesting yet oddly distorted view of ProTools place in the market. Many people use more than one platform and that goes for huge budget studios as well as multi platinum artists.

Fact is, the platform doesn't make the groove or impart the vibe that makes the music communicate.

The platform choice is more the tires on the car than the car itself.
I do like my 192 I/O tires though sometimes I choose to use DP as a front end as it offers some different features than PT.

I view it much the same as you. It's just for me, the tool I use for audio and midi recording/editing/mixing is Pro Tools. I don't think there are compelling enough feature differences in other DAWs to make me switch around.

You're still not all the way there, Justin. It's not a matter of them not being "compelling," it's a matter of your not needing them. Putting it the way you did means you still think Pro Tools is the choice of champions and everything else isn't.

this is the purfect thread for a pointless argument... again, who cares... every pro uses whatever she/he wants to use, not what some webmaster deems pro gear. again, what records have you done that qualify your subhuman oopinion??

guymandude,

do you have any affiliation with audio at all?

http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/06/26/newyorkers/index.php

People are already lining up. I wonder whether iKluth is camped out there too?

Don't hold back now....

I've actually wondered why people who are essentially hobbyists spend so much money on PTHD when any system can easily do what they need, including PTLE.

BTW, what software do you use? What records have you made? You are obviously emotional, I'd like to hear your work.


That sounds like a personal opinion to me. There is some great software available today. Far from crap. That is not to say that PT isn't the most popular, but there are many things other programs do better. I know because I use them everyday.

Originally posted by Nick Batzdorf on May 31, 2007:

"Standing in line all night to get into an Apple Store opening is completely pathetic."

So make up your mind already, Nick. Are these people you're suddenly championing still pathetic in your mind? Is that "retired" bozo who's first in line in NY (yes, I watch the news, too) who looks like he hasn't showered in a week now your hero?

He is my hero, yes. It's important to be a part of such a historic event.

I remember lining up at dark alley in CA in 1984 to buy the first US Roland MPU-401 MIDI interface for my Sperry PC-XT - complete with a terrible Japanese-to-English translated page acting as a manual. It was only $495 - truly a huge moment in history - and all it worked with was.....


Naw - never happened... I mean the alley part.

Today's future-changing hardware - tomorrow's $495 single-port MIDI interface

I will go down to the Apple store when time permits and check it out. I'm sure it will have the sexy stylin' feel of all Apple products. Chances of me buying one are zero. A $600 phone? Common.

Go to NYtimes.com and watch David Pogue's video. He's a nerd, but he shows you the good and bad pretty well. The software is really elegant, but the thing has some serious drawbacks.

Time Magazine - The iPhone's Carrier Problem

I had bad meatloaf for dinner.

Well, iKluth, this is what that Time article concludes:

"Nevertheless, analysts expect that millions of consumers will eventually switch away from their current carrier to buy into Apple's offering — and that says a lot about how frustrated people are with the wireless carriers."

But I don't think anyone will argue with you that there hasn't been a product in history with this much hype. It's unbelievable.

Also from the article (before the quote above, actually):

"And so far, the early reviews have not been kind to the mobile service and especially its cellular data network ("Pokey," says the Wall Street Journal; "excruciatingly slow," says the New York Times. A spokesman for AT&T said the company disagreed with those characterizations)."

I'd sure hate to be a corporate spokesman, having to lie through your fricking teeth like that. It's completely distasteful.

I wonder whether they're going to keep the supply on the low side to keep the demand at a fever pitch. That's what Yamaha used to do, like when they introduced the SPX-90, and more recently Disney did with hot kid's videos.

***
And all of a sudden I don't give a flying hoot about the gd iPhone anymore. I'm interested in seeing how well it does, but I'm not interested in buying one, and all the talk is getting annoying.

c'mon Nick, what was all that about hedonism and such?

since no mobile phones really work all that well, (except as focal points for brain damage) why would anyone shell out that much for one? (just duped I guess) consumer hype is a plague that all looks pretty stupid when you're not brainwashed - apple's just playin the game.

I use a wired headset, which has no measurable EMR (I now have a meter), so my brain is probably okay - in that regard anyway.

But you're right about the hedonism. On Friday I'm going to have sex with five women at once while watching YouTube on one iPhone, browsing the web with another, making a phone call on a third, and eating banana cream pie while dressed in lederhosen.

in my best Harvey Corman from Blazing Saddles, "kinky"...
"give the governor a hrumpf!"

Only 1 day left before the $%^# hits the fan... I'm almost giddy in anticipation.

dude, u need help and badly. therapy a waste of time and money? try some meds to rid urself of ur imaginary enemies. u r a pathetic waste of electrons and cytoplasm. go back to licking Bill Gates sweaty balls, while he feeds u scraps from the tablecloth.

Are you guys brothers? The back and forth is extremely entertaining. What I'd like to see is an iStuder, or an iSSL. Phone? Who cares, can I talk on it?

Mark, since I am obviously not following the events surrounding the iPhone, please keep us informed of it's success or failure. This is where I get my most up-to-the-minute info on the Apple stuff.

How can you miss it? You can't walk outside the door without seeing iPhone hype!

I don't watch TV, and I don't see ads on the billboards on my way to work, so this is the only place I hear about it. I suppose I am a bit out of the loop because I am always in the studio these days.

Other than this site I've only seen it mentioned once.
There's no adds running in my studio, my dogs and cats never mention it and there's nothing posted on the trail from my house to the stretch of river that I live/fish on.
Fish and deer are surprisingly close mouthed as well at least in regards to the i-phone thingy.
How news-worthy can it be if it's not a hotel heiress?

Well, I'm in a canyon, but it's in Los Angeles and I catch my fish at the supermarket.

However I read two newspapers in the morning (LA and NY Times) and scan a few news websites during the day. I also scan a few Mac sites, which of course is where you would see that hype. And people are talking about it everywhere.

Well....OK. I'm sure they are. But I'm still out of the loop. My phone does play mp3s though. And porn... I think... I mean I never tried... But someone said it does... I think that means mp4 or something. Maybe mp5. Whatever. It does Windows.

my phone plays 8bit pcm ringtones, and midi!

Who's REALLY Waiting In Line For an iPhone in San Fransisco?

can the iPhone help with my meatloaf?

iKluth, the fact that you're relying on Faux News to make your dumb-ass point only underlines how idiotic it is in the first place. These scum sucking bastards know Al Gore is on Apple's board, remember?

That's how they work: find a grain of truth (there are always going to be opportunists) then distort it to destroy something that isn't associated with murderous right-wing politics.

Originally posted by Nick Batzdorf on May 31, 2007:

"Standing in line all night to get into an Apple Store opening is completely pathetic."

Isn't it your dumb-ass point as well? Just because "Faux News" files a report on the subject, you automatically have to bash them and take the opposite stance and suddenly irrationally defend the line sitters waiting for their "Jesus Phone"? Get a grip!

this from a pud licking loser obsessed with nothingness... give it a break already, u sad pathetic freak of nature.

at least nik contributes in a positive meaningful way to our culture... u just emit gas from ur fucking meaningless pie hole, a self-appointed critic with no audience... u r a pathetic waste with nothing to show for ur meaningless life...

I thought it was a cake hole.....I guess it depends upon your location....

its a regional thang...

Mark, I hate to be so negative ... I always thought that you just spend too much time out in the Hawaiian sun - but now I think ... could it be, you just simply dislike Apple's products?

Justin, PT can do only one thing well - record and edit audio.

Have you ever try to create mock-ups with it? Or work on an orchestral composition with it? You would sing a very different tune if you did.

Sam, when are you getting your iPhone? I want to know your opinion after you have it. I admit that it looks sexy, but there are much better things I can do with 6 bills. Hell, I haven't even upgraded to the video iPod yet! Still rockin my 4 gig nano.

No, just the Cult of Steve. Watching educated, intelligent people reduced to lemmings reminds me of organized religion. All with His Holiness in his smug turtleneck.

"Just because "Faux News" files a report on the subject, you automatically have to bash them and take the opposite stance and suddenly irrationally defend the line sitters waiting for their "Jesus Phone"? "

Of course they're losers! LOO-SERS! And if other people feel like I do, the hype is so ludicrous that it might actually have a paradoxical effect.

What I'm arguing with is your mule-headed insistence that the iPhone is a dismal failure. Not only is Apple going to make billions upon billions with it, they're going to force other companies to improve their "smartphones." Despite its problems, every other phone is completely boring next to the iPhone, and other companies are going to have to deal with that.

What's more, I predict that this is the next step in computers. In a few years not everyone will have desktop or laptop machines anymore. The iPhone or whatever will be the computer; keyboards, monitors, and other peripherals will all network to it wirelessly.

Oh, and obviously that Faux News report is a distortion and a lie. The people waiting in line are real customers who want this product, not resellers.

yawn... here is the best example of a free thinking individual... notice the love of fox news, the receeding mullet, the expanding waistline... the rush limbaw parrot, spewing forth his verbal diarreah with no good knowledge of anything... a rebel without a clue... use the few remaining years u have on this planet to do something good, iKrumb... quit wasting ur time, u foul smelling noxious cretin.

And what happens after that? - Now you got me thinking ... What about the Mayan Calendar?

Yes, that's next. And it will be replaced forcibly by the Spanish Calendar after that.

Damn ... That's what I was afraid of!

Tracking:

http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/07/02/iphoneestimates/index.php

Sales estimates as high as 700,000 over the weekend, with the lowest estimates in the low 300,000s. Kluth is right again - this product is obviously the biggest failure in history. If you figure that half the people bought the 4GB and half the 8GB one (which probably isn't the case - most probably paid $100 extra for $10 worth of flash RAM), 700K x $550 = $385 million in three days.

Even half that - $192.5M is just staggering.

Even half that - $192.5M is just staggering.

Dang.. and here I bought gear instead of stock...

Jeff

Remember, it's a debacle.

Well I like mine so far. Easy to use, its funny that it even feels good as a phone. Its so much easier to find a contact dial and I even feel like I can hear people better. All the features are great for me, the keyboard I am getting used to, I watched a few videos and the iPod aspect of it is great... So far no complaints, and I went to a pool party in San Diego this weekend and I had quite an audience of people all saying the same thing, 'shoot now I got to go buy one of these'. I'm sure as many people that have iPods will have iPhones in the next 3-5 years. That is my prediction.
So far so good, accept it could have reminded me to wear extra sun-block... Ouch!
back to the studio
sam

yeah, but how are the pres?

I'd place them somewhere between Neve 1073's and Beringer 944's.

If that happened... the iKluth would self destruct.

One can only hope

AK

This is interesting:
http://www.comcast.net/news/technology/i...cvqh=itn_iphone

Interesting article.

A lot of this seems spawned by people who just want to see Apple's success diminished. I think there is a lot of "sour grapes" out there because Apple is releasing another benchmark in technology. Like it or not... it is already a benchmark and it's not even been out a month.

I think Apples Batter solution is great.... 3 day turn around and they'll rent you a loaner for $30 if you HAVE o have an iPhone during that time.

Anyway... interesting times.

AK

Of course that's how you see it - you are an admitted Apple zealot. The other 95% of the world sees lemmings rabidly salivating over yet another phone/mp3 player with an astronomical price of purchase and use and wonders what all the fuss is. How exactly does this qualify as a "benchmark in technology"? What can it do that other smart phones can't? Nothing. A pretty interface is not worth the cost.

There is no "victory" to claim here. The coming weeks will determine how much of an "impact" this brick will have. Now that all the zealots have one, nobody else is gonna buy it. They'll be lucky to sell 1 million units. And that's, what, less than 1% of all cell phones?



You're deluding yourself. Wait until it dies on you on a plane.

Somebody get a straight jacket on this guy before he hurts someone. He's really losing it.


"Like it or not... it is already a benchmark and it's not even been out a month."

A *week* Andrew!

Yeah. Me and the rest of the world who see through the Cult of Steve fog and see this thing for what it is.

You can call it a benchmark all you want - that doesn't make it one. There are a dozen phones already on the market that do exactly what the iPhone does. I call it a brick. So do the other 300 million Americans who don't care.

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah

U are a fucking sad and pathetic broken record. "you'll see!!! I'm right and and and everyone else is wrong. Now, leave me alone while I play with my Star Wars action figures... may the farce be with u!"

tsk tsk.

Actually Mark... in all seriousness... you're wrong. My entire studio is 100% PC based... that's 6 computers. I do have a Mac Book Pro because I wanted to get back into Apple... but am not sure about it... also Bootcamp allows you to load XP on a Mac (which is exactly what I did).

I would say I am more of a "whore". Whatever does the job the best for the right price -- no allegiance here. Nuendo and the other softwares I used TANKED when OSX came out... so I moved to XP.. and have been happy there.

So... I think you just need to open your mind.

As I think I've said to you once before:

"An open mind is a learning mind.... an ostrich is a bird."

AK

better an open minded whore than a washed up shit for brains kluth/freak

Blah blah blah...You take Mark K a little too seriously, no? I rather enjoy the observations.

I think Mark K takes Mark K a little too seriously.

AK

He's a condescending fuck-wad, deserving of the criticism he doles out. Sean, read some of his posts. He's a self-involved, bloated, methane envelope with the debating skills of a pussy worm. If u enjoy his observations, that's great. I don't.

Actually, I was referring to everyone's observations. He's just another guy with a point of view, as are you. Sometimes it's all pretty funny. Sometimes people are right, sometimes they are wrong. That's what I find interesting. It boggles the mind how seriously some people take this message board. I wonder what would would happen if we all met in person? Bloated methane envelope?

Ok, pompous fart weasel? Hideous monkey secretion? Vile ass pin? Inflamed toad penis? I think u'd agree, they all apply.

Hey Andrew "Six Windows Machines" K., how come you're not sure about the MBP?

Can I use that line? Pompous fart weasel? Thanks!

Zumbido is that you?

I love the MBP.... I'm just not sure about MAC OSX for audio applications aside from Logic and PT.

AK

Ah. Well, there's DP, and all the NI stuff, VSL, Redmatica, Ivory Grand, RMX, Melodyne, Altiverb, lots of other AU instrument and processing plug-ins... they all do well on Mac.

back to the issue at hand ... why would anyone want a device with a non-replaceable battery ... especially a PHONE ... I always carry a second battery as no phone I have EVER had has been able to last long enough to cover me for an 18 hour day. I can't imaging not having my phone working during a show!

Besides being obnoxious, it's a very poor design choice and limits functionality (although I guess this way they can keep non-apple batteries out of their precious proprietary device).

It is replaceable.... just not user replaceable.

Maybe the iPone will last an 18 hour day for years. If not... then it's not for you. One thing I am 100% sure of..... the iPhone won't be great for everyone.

I use Nuendo and it's not UB ready yet. K2 is just recently UB ready. I still think the OSX/CPU (MacIntel) relationship is still a little green.

But I do use Redmatica Keymap on my Laptop... and it does Rock!!!

Nick you know me pretty well.... whatever works the best for the job at hand...

AK

I was going to post here... but I decided to start a new Apple thread.